Wrangler for desert!

User avatar
Eloy_Rod
Captain
Captain
Posts: 97
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:31 pm
Real Name: Eloy Rodriguez
Vehicle Make & Model: Jeep Wrangler JK Falcon
Teraflex 2.5 lift
Falcon 3.3 Shocks
Injen Air intake
Air Raid Throttle Body Spacer
Borla Attack Exhaust
Fox ATS Steering Stabiliser
Fox 2.0 IFP Speed Bump
Disclaimer: Agreed and Signed.
Nickname: Eloy
Number of drives: 29

Re: Wrangler for desert!

Post by Eloy_Rod » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:52 am

I need to learn some mechanical wizadry off you Dennis!!
JustDen wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:22 am
Lol, if you are confused still, let me confuse you even more :)
They say Jeep stands for Just Empty Every Pocket )))
If you dont know 50 ways of fixing a car in the parking lot with WD40, silicon and electric tape, you will spend so much time in garages that your mechanics will become your family friends and will invite you for Christmas party. ))
If you are still convinced you want to become a happy Jeep owner, just find a good one on the market, drive it around with AC at max and watch the engine temperature, listen to any sounds from steering and suspension. Do some flexing in the parking lot. If it has engine check light, check it with an OBD reader. Check for leaks under the engine, transmission, transfer case, axles and steering box. Drive it at 100 kmph over some road irregularities and see if it doesnt have death wobble. Careful, as its really scary if it happens. By now you will have a good idea on the condition and if not perfect you will know what needs fixing.
Did i mention that older Jeeps means driving in desert with open windows without AC? )))
If this sounds like fun, just go ahead, let me know if you need help checking one up.
Now with a similar budget you can get a Pathfinder 2001-2005 with some basic mods, and lots of power. And not much headaches in the long run.
Same budget will find you a pre2005 Pajero 3.8, 3 doors, very capable car.
If you can extend the budget further, you can get an imported FJ 2007 for 30k, throw upto 20k to make it a monster and forget headaches.
There are much more options depending on your stretchability of the budget.
Obviously, the happiness and joy of driving a Jeep is something different, especially when you fixed it yourself )))
Now the cheapest option in town is getting my Frankenstein, which is technically a 5door wrangler. For around 10k it will be a monster heavily modified. ))) I just got myself another one, the V8 option, and making it a little monster soon.

Still confused? :)

User avatar
Akawel

Deputy
Major
Major
Posts: 81
Joined: Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:46 pm
Medals: 1
Real Name: Benoit
Vehicle Make & Model: Jeep Wrangler Unlimited
Disclaimer: Agreed and Signed.
Nickname: Akawel
Number of drives: 52

Re: Wrangler for desert!

Post by Akawel » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:02 am

In my opinion, the most important before purchasing the jeep or any other 4x4 is to understand what will be your main usage of the car.

If you intend to drive it also for every day’s life, with kids and family, the best options would surely be with the Japanese manufacturers. The Jeep does not offer the same comfort and safety. Just keep in mind that despite major improvements in 1997 (TJ) and a total re-engineering in 2007 (JK), the core base design of the car was created in 1987 (YJ), 30 years ago.

If your purpose with the car is mainly to go off-road (it is what I understood from your post), there is no doubt that the Wrangler offers a superb combination of off-road capabilities and fun to drive, not to mention the removable roof that makes the difference with any other competitor.

Now when it comes to reliability, the Jeep cannot compete with more modern vehicles, especially the Japanese 4x4. As an example, the Wrangler JK scores 2.5/5 out of the world JD Powers study on car reliability (yes, I am in car business :D ), and most of the cars studied are not used extensively in the desert…

Sahil and Dennis are right and already made it clear : the Jeep needs a lot of attention when it comes to the maintenance but it is also a very enjoyable car.

My preference would be to go for the 3.6 engine as well as the unlimited version (4 doors) which has the best resale value. Try to find a stock version with clear history and ensure it has GCC specifications. Avoid US versions that do not have the improved cooling system. The American version can be recognized easily : speedometer in miles as main unit, square rear number plate and different front bumper. If you have a doubt, use VIN decoder : https://www.vindecoderz.com/ that will give you all factory specifications of the car (yes, I am in car business :D ).

Second choice would be a FJ Cruiser. Just avoid to take it white color otherwise you will never find your car when all DO members are parked. There are so many white FJ’s in the club :))

Good luck for your search.
"This is not a car... this is a Jeep".
IOIIIIOI

User avatar
jibs
Private
Private
Posts: 33
Joined: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:58 pm
Real Name: Jibraan Abdul
Vehicle Make & Model: Black Prado A.K.A Bagheera
Disclaimer: Agreed and Signed.
Nickname: Black Prado

Re: Wrangler for desert!

Post by jibs » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:31 am

Asim wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:29 am
trq wrote:
Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:48 pm
Hi.
I am a newbie and drive Prado. Have done a few drives with DO. I don’t want to kill my Prado or modify it.
Hence, wanna buy a used Wrangler for the purpose.

Budget: Minimum.

Request experts’ recco.
its a toyata, u cant kill it!!
I Concur!!

I have owned Jeeps (2), a suzuki vitara, an FJ, a pajero (3.5 two door) and now a prado (VX 2 door).

In my experience, the toyotas and the pajero were the best in terms of reliability and were very economic on my pocket. Great power and needed minimal mods for toyota.. the pajero was good too but not the kind of power i wanted.
On the other hand the jeeps were great with power but heavy on my pocket. Plus, the wrangler was in the workshop most of the days (this is the issue of buy second hand jeeps).

So my 2 cents are:
If you have the money and don't mind spending it, go for a Jeep (3.6 penstar), these are indeed great machines but need more maintenance than the below options.
If you wanna use this ride only for the desert, have power and not spend too much on it, Toyota (4.0 ltr, FJ, Prado, Fortuner - many great deals on Dubizzle) or Mitsubishi (3.5 ltrs - Pajeros only - also many great deals on Dubizzle)

My cousin is a car dealer, let me know if you need help with anything at all.

In the meantime, all the best!!
Black Prado --- A.K.A --- Bagheera

User avatar
Ahmad Pervez

Marshal
General - Club Founder
General - Club Founder
Posts: 2827
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:45 pm
Medals: 1
Real Name: Ahmad Pervez
Vehicle Make & Model: Toyota FJ Cruiser 2008
Disclaimer: Agreed and Signed.
Nickname: Ahmad
Number of drives: 735
Contact:

Re: Wrangler for desert!

Post by Ahmad Pervez » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:50 am

JustDen wrote:
Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:58 pm
Just a heads up. If yoy buy older Jeep, and your not into car mechanics, prepare tons of cash )))
EXPERIENCE SPEAKS !!!
"No, it is not the goal but the way there that matters, and the harder the way the more worth while the journey." -Wilfred Thesiger

Ahmad Pervez
050 6534953

User avatar
trq
Posts: 29
Joined: Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:11 am
Real Name: Mohammad Tariq Afzal
Vehicle Make & Model: PRADOLC 4.0 2016
Disclaimer: Agreed and Signed.
Nickname: torque

Re: Wrangler for desert!

Post by trq » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:39 pm

Thank you Den, Jibs, Asim, Sahil, Eloy & Alkawel so detailed autopsy.

So net net, here’s my take:
1. Jeep is a great drive. Costly girlfriend. Old needs botox also.
2. Go for Japanese. FJ coming out as clear choice.

Pervez bhai also advised the same last week.

Need some time to convince myself in the closed room, that my dream for Jeep is over :(
I might again need your expertise while checking an old FJ (maybe, not sure though).
Tariq / White Prado

User avatar
Sebastien

Deputy
Major
Major
Posts: 153
Joined: Wed May 25, 2016 9:57 am
Medals: 1
Real Name: Sebastien Nicolas
Vehicle Make & Model: Toyota FJ Cruser
Disclaimer: Agreed and Signed.
Nickname: Seb
Number of drives: 60

Re: Wrangler for desert!

Post by Sebastien » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:09 am

trq wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:39 pm

Need some time to convince myself in the closed room, that my dream for Jeep is over :(
I might again need your expertise while checking an old FJ (maybe, not sure though).
If you dream of a Jeep ... go for it! it's never a good idea to give up on your dreams...

User avatar
Sahil Trehan

Deputy
Contributor
Major
Major
Posts: 108
Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:39 am
Medals: 2
Real Name: Sahil Trehan
Vehicle Make & Model: '16 Jeep Wrangler Sport
2 Door - Manual Transmission
Disclaimer: Agreed and Signed.
Number of drives: 50

Re: Wrangler for desert!

Post by Sahil Trehan » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:15 am

Sebastien wrote:
Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:09 am
trq wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:39 pm

Need some time to convince myself in the closed room, that my dream for Jeep is over :(
I might again need your expertise while checking an old FJ (maybe, not sure though).
If you dream of a Jeep ... go for it! it's never a good idea to give up on your dreams...
EXPERIENCE SPEAKS AGAIN!!

Sounds like your next 4x4 is definately a Jeep, a dream you'd like for to come true! :))
Sahil Trehan
0507005557

Plus Est En Vous :o)

User avatar
Tex
Captain
Captain
Posts: 10
Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:14 pm
Real Name: Darin
Vehicle Make & Model: 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sport
Disclaimer: Agreed and Signed.
Nickname: Tex
Number of drives: 1

Re: Wrangler for desert!

Post by Tex » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:53 am

If the comments here haven't killed your dream and you're still looking for that Jeep, I may have the one for you! It's definitely a weekend car and is set up for the desert! (It's the one in the profile photo)

2002 TJ
- lifted with steel bumpers - can't kill it, I've run over bushes (unintentionally of course) with no harm done
- offroad lights
- large BFG tires
- manual transmission - great for the dunes
- lot of other upgrades
- driven all over UAE (including Empty Quarter) and into Oman (Wahiba Sands, etc)
- I've repaired almost everything there is to repair on it already (i'm an engineer and like to keep things working)
Once you get the hang of driving it, it's very difficult to get it stuck in the dunes.

I'm thinking to consolidate my vehicles, so considering to sell. Let me know! The registration on the Jeep is due up in a couple of weeks, so this could make the process easier. Send a note here and I can run through the rest of the details.

Darin

User avatar
Mirela
Private
Private
Posts: 13
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:50 am
Real Name: Mirela Pavlovic
Vehicle Make & Model: Jeep Wrangler 2007
Disclaimer: Agreed and Signed.
Nickname: Mirela
Number of drives: 21

Re: Wrangler for desert!

Post by Mirela » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:12 pm

trq wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:39 pm
Need some time to convince myself in the closed room, that my dream for Jeep is over :(
I might again need your expertise while checking an old FJ (maybe, not sure though).
Hey Tariq, I'm following this topic and cannot believe that you let the guys change your mind.... so here's my female-point-of-view five cents: don't give up on your jeep dream!! :-o

When we were thinking about buying 'a vehicle for the desert', the only possible choice was Jeep Wrangler - it was just a question of time when we will find the one with reasonable value/money ratio. The fact is that our car is old, really uncomfortable on the road, has weak engine and occasionally produces some additional expenses (not as much as one would imagine after reading Denis' comment though :D), but we bought it a year ago for the specific purpose and so far didn't regret our decision :ymparty:

User avatar
Alex

Deputy
Contributor
Major
Major
Posts: 285
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:45 pm
Medals: 2
Real Name: Alex Evdokimov
Vehicle Make & Model: FJ dark-pink
Disclaimer: Agreed and Signed.
Nickname: Fon Genrih
Number of drives: 100

Re: Wrangler for desert!

Post by Alex » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:58 pm

All people are different, same u can say about cars! There is no right solution, every car has positive and negative features, u just need to find a balance of what u want. If u are really fun of the Jeep Wrangler and been dreaming about it since u were kid - take it and enjoy. If u looking for saving some money on this car - u will spend/louse same amount as u modify prado :) for me Prado that u have the best choice and just need some modifications with lift and bumpers! I'm really sorry but fj is not cheaper than prado and has almost the same suspension and engine and very tiny windows! When I was searching my second car I spend some time as a passenger in different cars just to see how it goes. Any way it will help u to understand small aspects of future purchase. Good luck with choice ;)

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest